Mike Krieger is the chief product officer of Anthropic and the co-founder of Instagram. After leaving Meta, he co-founded Artifact, an AI-powered news app that I absolutely loved, and joined Anthropic to lead product in 2024. In this episode, you'll learn: • How Anthropic uses AI to write 90-95% of code for some products and the surprising new bottlenecks this creates • Why embedding product managers with AI researchers yields 10x the impact of traditional product development • The three areas where product teams can still add massive value as AI gets smarter • How Anthropic plans to compete with OpenAI long-term • How to use Claude as your product strategy partner (with specific prompting techniques) • Why Mike shut down Artifact despite loving the product, and what founders can learn from it • Where AI startups should build to avoid getting killed by OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google • Why MCP (Model Context Protocol) might reshape how all software works • The counterintuitive product metrics that matter for AI • How to evaluate whether your company is maximizing AI’s potential or just scratching the surface — Brought to you by: Productboard—Make products that matter Stripe—Helping companies of all sizes grow revenue OneSchema—Import CSV data 10x faster — Where to find Mike Krieger: • X: x.com/mikeyk • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mikekrieger — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: lennysnewsletter.com • X: twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky — In this episode, we cover: — Referenced: • Anthropic: anthropic.com • Claude Opus 4: • Dario Amodei on X: • AI 2027: • Tobi Lütke’s leadership playbook: Playing infinite games, operating from first principles, and maximizing human potential (founder and CEO of Shopify): • Claude Shannon: • Information theory: • TypeScript: • Python: • Rust: • Bending the universe in your favor | Claire Vo (LaunchDarkly, Color, Optimizely, ChatPRD): • Announcing a brand-new podcast: “How I AI” with Claire Vo: • A conversation with OpenAI’s CPO Kevin Weil, Anthropic’s CPO Mike Krieger, and Sarah Guo: • Jack Clark on LinkedIn: • Artifact: • Joel Lewenstein on LinkedIn: • Daniela Amodei on LinkedIn: • Boris Cherny on LinkedIn: • Gunnar Gray on LinkedIn: • The Model Context Protocol: • The rise of Cursor: The $300M ARR AI tool that engineers can’t stop using | Michael Truell (co-founder and CEO): • Building Lovable: $10M ARR in 60 days with 15 people | Anton Osika (CEO and co-founder): • Inside Bolt: From near-death to ~$40m ARR in 5 months—one of the fastest-growing products in history | Eric Simons (founder and CEO of StackBlitz): • Jimmy Kimmel Live: • ChatGPT: • Gemini: • OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter): • Windsurf: • Menlo Ventures: • Harvey: • Manus: • Bench: • Strategy Letter V: • Kevin Scott on LinkedIn: — Recommended books: • The Goal: A Process of Ongoing Improvement: • The Way of the Code: The Timeless Art of Vibe Coding: • The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business when There Are No Easy Answers―Straight Talk on the Challenges of Entrepreneurship: — Production and marketing by . For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.