Bob Moesta, co-creator of the Jobs to Be Done framework, recently published a new book, Job Moves. Drawing from interviews with over 1,000 people about their career transitions, it offers a practical playbook for career development. In our conversation, we discuss: • The four different “quests” that drive career changes • Why job features (salary, title) matter less than experiences • How to identify what gives you energy vs. drains you • The power of taking a “jobcation” • A template for crafting your career story • Tips for hiring and retaining great talent • The importance of prototyping potential careers • Much more — Brought to you by: • Eppo—Run reliable, impactful experiments • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security • OneSchema—Import CSV data 10x faster — Find the transcript at: lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-f… — Where to find Bob Moesta: • X: x.com/bmoesta • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/bobmoesta • Website: jobmoves.com • Podcast: pca.st/gg6goo1n • The Re-Wired Group: therewiredgroup.com — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: lennysnewsletter.com • X: • LinkedIn: — In this episode, we cover: — Referenced: • The ultimate guide to JTBD | Bob Moesta (co-creator of the framework): • Ethan S. Bernstein on LinkedIn: • National Geographic: • Radical Candor: From theory to practice with author Kim Scott: • Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): • The Story Spine (also known as Pixar’s Story Structure): • Tobi Lütke on LinkedIn: • Job Moves resources: • Why Employees Quit: — Recommended book: • Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career: — Production and marketing by . For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.