Inside the expert network training every frontier AI model | Garrett Lord (Handshake CEO)
About this episode
From the show’s notesGarrett Lord is co-founder and CEO of Handshake, which started as a career network for college students and new grads but recently discovered something extraordinary: they were sitting on the world’s largest network of academic experts—exactly what frontier AI labs desperately needed. With 500,000 PhDs and 3 million advanced degree holders creating training data, in just eight months they’ve built a new business that hit $50 million in revenue in its first four months and is on track to blow past $100M in the first 12 months.
What you’ll learn:
1. How Handshake found an opportunity to leverage their proprietary network of experts to launch a data-labeling business that’s on track to blow past $100 million ARR in 12 months
2. Why AI models need human experts (e.g. physics PhDs) to improve, and what this “data labeling” actually involves
3. Inside the actual work: what a biology PhD does for 8 hours that makes GPT-5 smarter
4. The playbook for building a startup inside a startup: separate teams, separate offices, separate everything
5. Why the shift from “generalist” to “expert” data labeling created a once-in-a-lifetime business opportunity
6. Why AI won’t eliminate entry-level jobs—it’s creating “Iron Man suits” that make junior employees 10x more productive
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In this episode, we cover:
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Referenced:
• GPQA:
• Handshake:
• OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter):
• Inside Bolt: From near-death to ~$40m ARR in 5 months—one of the fastest-growing products in history | Eric Simons (founder and CEO of StackBlitz):
• Goldman Sachs:
• General Motors:
• Google:
• Sahil Bhaiwala on LinkedIn:
• Francisco “Paco” Guzman on LinkedIn:
• Avery Yip on LinkedIn:
• Game of Thrones on HBO:
• SNOO:
• Careers at Handshake:
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Recommended books:
• Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future:
• The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers―Straight Talk on the Challenges of Entrepreneurship:
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